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PostSubject: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:38 pm

I have to ask. What is it people have against Wiccans and Pagans?

I know many people who is of this religion, and each has explained it to me. It is not devil worship, and further more they do not believe in ANY FORM of devil. They worship the Earth as it is, and view their Gods and Goddesses as equals, that none is created better then another. They believe that whatever makes you happy is your business, be it gay marriage, or anything else of the such. Is the reason behind the accusation that the Christian religion is unwilling to accept something that they truly do not understand?

And with that, I repeat my original question: What is it people have against Pagans and Wiccans?
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:39 pm

ahmed1ahmed wrote:
I have to ask. What is it people have against Wiccans and Pagans?

I know many people who is of this religion, and each has explained it to me. It is not devil worship, and further more they do not believe in ANY FORM of devil. They worship the Earth as it is, and view their Gods and Goddesses as equals, that none is created better then another. They believe that whatever makes you happy is your business, be it gay marriage, or anything else of the such. Is the reason behind the accusation that the Christian religion is unwilling to accept something that they truly do not understand?

And with that, I repeat my original question: What is it people have against Pagans and Wiccans?

Romans 1:18-32:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. (ESV)

We are not to worship that which is created; we are to worship the Creator alone. As for "whatever makes you happy is your business," that has some serious implications and is not a rule one ought to live by.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:41 pm

ahmed1ahmed wrote:
They worship the Earth as it is, and view their Gods and Goddesses as equals, that none is created better then another.

John 14:6---Jesus said to him, "I am THE way, and THE truth, and THE life; no one comes to the Father, but through me." NASB-caps are mine

I don't see any sense in worshipping anything except the one true way. Do you?
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:41 pm

The below constitutes my personal views and is probably not the views for most of the members here.

First, lets separate the terms pagan and wiccan. Pagan is a term for all
polytheistic faiths, while wicca is a distinct form of paganism. Wiccans specifically I have a problem with, as they are a hedonistic people. The "whatever makes you happy" attitude is inherently selfish as it allows corruption to infect whatever society houses that faith. No society that is majority wiccan could ever be a successful and happy society. Secondly, I find them absolutely ridiculous. It's a pseudo-faith, they simply claim everything that is Abrahamic as their own. You claim Celtic gods, Germanic gods, Latin gods, Hindu gods, etc., etc., etc.

Contrast them with Asatru, for example. The Asatru are more selective and are far more educated about their own faith. Instead of the ridiculously shallow knowledge of their own faith held by Wiccans, Asatru are expected to study. They are expected to read the Eddas as much as Christians are expected to read the Bible. They are also more conservative than wiccans, they actually care about more than the self. It's too bad they're so misguided, they'd make good Christians if they could only find Jesus.

Then there are of course other conservative faiths like Hinduism and Shinto. These are also not so selfish as wicca. Once again, they are lost unless they change their ways, but I can get along with them fine. I can get along with most pagans, but I have issues with wiccans. That said I do have a couple of pagan friends, but we are no longer close (since I found Jesus) and I've always found them to be fairly ridiculous.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:42 pm

Wicca is a false religion. BAM--there it is. I tend to think its just watered down, wishy-washy, feel-good Satanism, but maybe that's just me. I don't have anything against Wiccans, although I do find their religion to be false, self-indulgent, and terribly boring.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:42 pm

the difference is we cannot have a meaningful relationship with mother earth, the cosmos or the wardrobe monkey. We are free to give worship to whoever and whatever we want to....The question is, if we have a spiritual desire, a yearning to find where we fit in and crave the answer to the big question.. Why are we here?... we can do much worse than genuinely asking the God of whole creation.. the maker of all things good..the real creator who he is...Christians call it prayer but its just talking to God knowing that he listens. Ask him a question and don't be shocked that if you believe he will be faithful and you will get an answer. If you don't want God to exist then he will oblige you too and not show himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:44 pm

ahmed1ahmed wrote:
I have to ask. What is it people have against Wiccans and Pagans?

I know many people who is of this religion, and each has explained it to me. It is not devil worship, and further more they do not believe in ANY FORM of devil. They worship the Earth as it is, and view their Gods and Goddesses as equals, that none is created better then another. They believe that whatever makes you happy is your business, be it gay marriage, or anything else of the such. Is the reason behind the accusation that the Christian religion is unwilling to accept something that they truly do not understand?

And with that, I repeat my original question: What is it people have against Pagans and Wiccans?


People tend to not have anything against pagans or wiccans in general. In Christianity any religion that isn't centered around Jesus as the path to salvation is a false religion/way. All Pagan religions are polytheistic and include the worship of either Idols or other gods. This is directly against Christian/Jewish doctrine. Occasionally you get the person who can't separate a person from their religion, but most people are usually sensible enough to not do this. Unless there is a lot of misinformation distributed with the intent of causing drama.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagans/Wiccans    Pagans/Wiccans  EmptyWed Jul 04, 2012 8:44 pm

What's the problem with wiccans? Do they believe John 14:6 for example?

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

I didn't think so.
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