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DarkKoopa Member
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| Subject: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:56 am | |
| We know that our animal friends have feelings... but does that mean that they have souls ? Are there animals in Heaven ? |
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:57 am | |
| All animals have souls (mind, will and emotions) but they lack spirit, or a spiritual center. As far as animals in heaven---yes, seeing as Jesus will be riding on a horse, w eknow that there are certain animals in heaven now, but we also know from scripture that the New Earth is the kingdom where we will live and reifn with Christ, and we know that all will be renewed and restored by God, so there will be millions of animals of all species here, and those who have a ferocious reputation will be changed to peaceable.
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. |
| | | DarkKoopa Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:57 am | |
| - Verse wrote:
- All animals have souls (mind, will and emotions) but they lack spirit, or a spiritual center. As far as animals in heaven---yes, seeing as Jesus will be riding on a horse, w eknow that there are certain animals in heaven now, but we also know from scripture that the New Earth is the kingdom where we will live and reifn with Christ, and we know that all will be renewed and restored by God, so there will be millions of animals of all species here, and those who have a ferocious reputation will be changed to peaceable.
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. thank you verse for explaining that. |
| | | raahul2008 Member
Posts : 7 Join date : 2011-06-21
| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:58 am | |
| My dogs are certainly souls with spirits! |
| | | Nuclear Member
Posts : 4 Join date : 2011-05-11
| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:15 am | |
| What does the Scripture say? |
| | | raahul2008 Member
Posts : 7 Join date : 2011-06-21
| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:16 am | |
| - Nuclear wrote:
- What does the Scripture say?
Nothing |
| | | Notingda Member
Posts : 4 Join date : 2011-06-05
| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:17 am | |
| Psalms 49 ... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish. ... |
| | | raahul2008 Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:17 am | |
| - Notingda wrote:
- Psalms 49
... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish. ... So people and animal spirits perish? You get this from that verse? |
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:18 am | |
| - raahul2008 wrote:
So people and animal spirits perish? You get this from that verse? Only man has been given a spiritual part, where God can dwell within us. That is what makes us separate from the animal kingdom. |
| | | raahul2008 Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:19 am | |
| - Verse wrote:
Only man has been given a spiritual part, where God can dwell within us. That is what makes us separate from the animal kingdom. Verse? |
| | | Notingda Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:21 am | |
| - raahul2008 wrote:
Verse? Psalms 49 ... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. 10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish. If you don't like the text, please argue with the Author, not the messenger! |
| | | raahul2008 Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:22 am | |
| - Notingda wrote:
Psalms 49 ... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish.
If you don't like the text, please argue with the Author, not the messenger!
Did you think I missed the Psalm the first time? I didn't. My problem is not with the author or his message, it is with the messenger's interpretation. |
| | | Notingda Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:22 am | |
| - raahul2008 wrote:
Did you think I missed the Psalm the first time? I didn't.
My problem is not with the author or his message, it is with the messenger's interpretation. Psalms 49 ... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. 10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish. |
| | | raahul2008 Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:23 am | |
| The correct interpretation is that all people die at the end of their Earthly lives, just like animals. It is talking about physical dead! Your interpretation actually suggests that neither man nor animals have souls. |
| | | Notingda Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:24 am | |
| Psalms 49 ... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish.
God wrote the words. It seems YOU wish to interpret them differently than written. Thus my council for YOU to make any changes YOU deem necessary to meet YOUR agendas. Please let us know what YOU come up with so that we can all make YOUR recommended changes in our Bibles. |
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:25 am | |
| If animals have a spirit where God can swell, then wy do we eat them? Jesus didn't include them in His salvation plan. They have souls, whoch makes them thinking, and somewhat reasoning beings acording to their own God-given specialized abilities, but they have no center in them for the Holy Spirit to live and dwell, and frankly, anyone who thinks that they are on a par with humans have to read Genesis again with fresh eyes to see that only we have been breathed into with the breath of life, making us spiritual beings, and created in the image of God. |
| | | raahul2008 Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:26 am | |
| - Notingda wrote:
- Psalms 49
... 5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me? 6 Those who trust in their wealth And boast in the multitude of their riches, 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him— 8 For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever— 9 That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever, Their dwelling places to all generations; They call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish.
God wrote the words. It seems YOU wish to interpret them differently than written. Thus my council for YOU to make any changes YOU deem necessary to meet YOUR agendas. Please let us know what YOU come up with so that we can all make YOUR recommended changes in our Bibles. Actually, God used a human being to write some Hebrew words that were translated into English by other men. You sure like to skip a lot of steps involved ...... is that how you got your interpretation as well? It seems to me that you completely disregarded the context of the ONE sentence that seems to support your interpretation. I will pray for you - that God will send His Spirit to help you understand his word. AMEN |
| | | LoYdEbOy Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:27 am | |
| Animals do not go to Heaven at all. as they can't. as they do not have a rational Sole. Jesus Christ only came to save people only, as his name is Emmanuel. A cat would need a saviour ? maybe puss in boots, now come on now. I find this stuff insulting as the fact is we will not have our bodies in heaven. Do you know who Jesus Christ is ? does your cat ? |
| | | DarkKoopa Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:27 am | |
| I started thinking about this question again in the wake of the death of my niece's dog Simba.Our family is so broken hearted and I can't imagine that he won't be in Heaven...the very thought of that is hard to bear right now. Thank you all for your prayers. |
| | | CrossHairs Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:30 am | |
| And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Define creature -
Oh, I know, it's like the ones in heaven -
6 Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. 8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!" 9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,
Never mind, I found it in scripture.
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| | | BirdManJr Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:30 am | |
| What I know for sure about dogs is they can teach a person many things. Forgivness, Loyalty, Love, Trust, Faithfulness.......can't do that without a soul. |
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:31 am | |
| "Are there animals in heaven?"
-- With every fiber of my being, I hope so. |
| | | NumbaOne Member
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| Subject: Re: Do Dogs Have Souls ? Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:32 am | |
| Then again, I've even asked myself if Bacterea have souls, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Anything is possable with such an amazing God! |
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